you know, four years ago, as the obama administration was just getting started in its first term, lapierre was on with glen beck riling people up, talking to beck's paranoid audience about this gun grab that was coming. and all of this -- beyond alarmist, insane rhetoric and devicive rhetoric. >> how much is -- do you think people were just psychological? is this a male thing worried about somebody coming to get their appliance? i mean, what is this about? it seems deeper than just how many guns do you own? do they actually believe that the federal government is going to come door-to-door to law-abiding, regular class, people, looking for guns? do they actually believe that's going to happen? >> some of them do, i think. and i think they particularly believe it when there's a democrat in the white house. wayne lapierre is the person who talked about federal agents after oklahoma city. so this is a man who's been allowed to have a platform on the national stage, even though he is a wing nut. and, finally, you have someone reich chris wallace who is certainly a more moderate voice of fox tel